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I suspect it's the inbuilt militarism that gives it a degree of immunity to the type of people that like to subvert these shows to their newest fetishes. There's little you can do without either accepting the military as somewhat good, or totally fucking the whole concept beyond what even the disinterested moneymen would accept.

I don’t think “pro-military” is necessarily an impediment to an American TV show.

No, but the type of people who want to... turn an existing American TV show into their own personal soapbox would probably find it distasteful to do so while keeping it so openly pro-military, and they'd have a hard time removing the military elements from this particular show.

Like I remember there was an interview with a guy working on one of the recent HALO games who talked about how disgusted he was by the use of guns in games, and how he could only do so by working on future sci-fi ray guns which makes it different, and I'm like "This is clearly not a good fit for this chap".

Why do people who hate particular properties keep getting chosen to work on them? Why do they want to work on them? The end result is rarely good for anyone.

Control, hate/fear and a feeling of superiority over others.

something along those lines would be my guess.

Because it's popular?

I assume it's like the BBC America "The Watch" or the Mindy Kaling "Velma". You want to do some bullshit show, you don't have the talent to make something worth watching, and you don't have enough name recognition to trick people into watching it, so you skin something people love, and fill the fleshy sack with your own rubbish?

In the case of the Halo guy, I assume he THOUGHT he would have more control to push the thing he wanted to make INTO the empty skin of the thing he had to make.

Just a guess, tho.

you don't have enough name recognition to trick people into watching it, so you skin something people love, and fill the fleshy sack with your own rubbish?

Everything on AO3, then?

I honestly don't get perspectives like this. If you don't like newer versions/sequels of things, cool. But their existence doesn't ruin the stuff you actually like. And there are people who like the newer stuff too. The old parts you like aren't ruined by the existence of the newer stuff. Just pretend it doesn't exist. And let people who like the newer stuff enjoy that too.

IA if it's about liking the show or series or not.

But I kinda get it if they mean it changes their experience in the fandom. If retcons happen then people split into people who like the retcons, people who reject the retcons, new people who don't even realize retcons happened, on and on. And then if you try to talk about the original show you have to explain every time that you're trying to discuss something ignoring this or that new canon, where this or that did or didn't happen, where this or that event did or did not drastically change some character or backstory...

It creates a whole lot of different "canon AUs" that get complicated to navigate.

This. Also, my brain won't let me just ignore it. If I see it, then it's canon and I understand it as what happens whenever I think of that series/movie/whatever. And then everyone in the fandom assumes it and talks about it and it causes cognitive dissonance. Very uncomfortable, so I often hope that my favorite stuff doesn't get rebooted/continued.

and reasons I can't talk LOTR in LOTR circles without "hahahaha shield surfing" in tyool 2025.

You are missing out on the Tumblr fandom. The Tolkien Tumblr fandom has all different types. There are lots of book-only fans.

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The only time I'd take issue with this is if the new version literally replaces the old one(taken off a streaming service with only the new version in place, or DvD sales discontinued, that kind of thing), which I haven't seen happen yet. The older stuff is still there to enjoy, no one is taking that away and if I don't vibe with new additions to a setting I love I can just... choose to ignore it. It's not hard.

I’m another who doesn’t have any problem with people liking things I don’t but dislikes what prequels, sequels, reboots, and retcons do to the fandom. For me, Star Wars is three movies and an expanded universe in novels. Obviously that isn’t canon and in fact the EU has been nuked out of legitimate existence. I avoid the fandom because it’s either OT fans being dicks about all the subsequent content, prequel fans complaining that the OT and the new stuff sucks, or people who are fans of the new stuff. In that last group I have witnessed toxic positivity that rivals the toxicity of the OT fanboys.

And in Star Trek fandom: for some unknown reason the fans of the JJ Abrams movies think they’re Trekkies and manage to shit up every corner of the fandom. The rest of the fandom is actually pretty great but as someone else pointed out, it’s difficult connecting with other fans over the media because there is so much content and a lot is contradictory.

The only fandom I’ve seen just roll with the changes is X Men, although it was rough when First Class came out. The fans of that movie weren’t X Men fans, so some X Men places started to get flooded with very low quality untagged FC stuff but it died out quickly. These days it’s so easy to find any mix of X Men stuff you like. Want comics Rogue, Frasier Beast, and Evolutions Wolverine? That’s out there. Every mix of Magneto and Charles Xavier, too. I love browsing X Men fic on AO3 because it’s common to see 3-6 X Men canons tagged.

Well, yeah, comics fandoms are absolutely used to rolling with the changes, that's what happens when you have 60+ years of continuity! I think other fandoms will get used to it over time, but it's fairly new in live action fandoms. I've been in X-Men fandom since the early 90s, and every new big thing eventually gets absorbed. DC comics fandom is very similar.

The later revelations about Jimmy Saville shouldn't change how you feel about the original show.

And that's why the Star Wars sequels were a duology that ended with "The Last Jedi" in my world.

That's my view too as TROS is the one canon thing I don't like. And for me the EU ends with the Hand of Thrawn duology.

Amen, nonny.

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That is not a source that I would remotely trust.

I dislike reboots in general, just because they're lazy as hell.

Create a new thing/franchise!

I even feel this way about remakes and reboots of properties that are really ancient, because they're classics, to me. Why do we need a new Spider-Man every five fuckin' years?

I just ignore these when they come out, but I don't like them.

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